Curse

ensoriki · Nov 07, 2007, 12:25 AM // 00:25

The skill has its problems.

For 1 it affects you too, Its Duration isn't very either.

You cant use spells for 15 second's and with average Deadly arts (lets say 8)
Its not worth it alot in pve or pvp.

However for the time that it is on, its generally useful. Put on a monk without or who has just used holy viel or lost hexbreaker and enjoy the fun. Mesmer bugging your monk, cast it and give your monk a bit of a breather.

Going to spike a sin? Cast then watch as they find they can't cast feigned and just mash the 8 button key wondering wtf is happening.

Lets discuss.

Kaida the Heartless · Nov 08, 2007, 09:15 AM // 09:15

Siphon Speed + Shroud of Silence + SP Attack Chain

Wins. Used forever ago when everyone was boasting the BoA/SP sin bar. The skill is really unfair. One monk versus the skill, and it's usually game over. A stance is almost necessary to beat the skill, assuming you are smarter than your standard houseplant. Can't hexbreaker or preveil it, since Siphon Speed is still rediculously spammable.

Never really saw it used in GvG. Could have amazing potential in the right build, even if semi-gimmicky. Closest I ever saw was Shadow Shroud being used by mesmers.

Still, it's one of my fav's. Who cares if I can't cast a spell. I have daggers! XD

twicky_kid · Nov 08, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

Still, it's one of my fav's. Who cares if I can't cast a spell. I have daggers! XD

All your survival skills are spells.

It only works against casters and gives 0 advantage vs physical dmg.

Kaida the Heartless · Nov 08, 2007, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Most of my survivial always came from my WASD keys and Siphon Speed. I also ran warrior secondary (for the ias) so I also ran healsig if needed.

Siphon Speed /w the chain was enough for most physical damage. The elite wasn't even necessary. Besides, I had teammates to help there. Most people didn't ever expect Shroud, so having an insta-monk kill was very helpful.

steel singer · Nov 09, 2007, 03:14 PM // 15:14

BTW, A lot of monks in TA are Mo/A or Mo/W and if they even know the game a LITLE then they won't die..
Assuming they have something like dark escape, shield bash, frenzied defense..
I have dark escape and I never die really.. Because shadow shroud is a touch skills so it takes a while before you are near the monk.. So any decent one has removed siphon speed then..
But I'm sure it surprises and kills a lot of monks/other casters.. Especially other casters, because they 90% of the time are half stupid and never seen the skill.. It's not as much used as shadow prison so much more unknown..

Aris the Accurate · Nov 09, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

the problem with removing siphon speed is you spend more time/energy removing it then it takes to apply and has a quick recharge

Miriandel · Nov 09, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by steel singer

shadow shroud is a touch skills so it takes a while before you are near the monk

Good point, maybe it's time assassins have shadowstepping then

steel singer · Nov 10, 2007, 06:25 PM // 18:25

How you gonna kill the monk then?
If you have Shroud of Silence, Siphon Speed, Ress signet AND then shadowstepping :O
You have 4 skill slots left to damage? Wich means you can't put in an IAS because with 3 attack skills you can't kill a monk before Shroud of Silence is over..
So 4 attack skills to kill a monk without an IAS and him running away, no way you can kill him then -.-
Well, assuming the monk is a litle bit decent..

XiaoTheBlade · Nov 10, 2007, 09:35 PM // 21:35

A build I use a lot in RA

[skill]shadow walk[/skill]
[skill]shroud of silence[/skill]
[skill]black spider strike[/skill]
[skill]death blossom[/skill]
[skill]impale[/skill]
[skill]signet of toxic shock[/skill]
[skill]siphon speed[/skill]
[skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

11+1 deadly
6+1+1 crit
12+1 dagger

steel singer · Nov 11, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

And you actually kill a monk, or anyone else, with that?
That amazes me :S

BlackSephir · Nov 11, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by steel singer

And you actually kill a monk, or anyone else, with that?
That amazes me :S

Quote:

A build I use a lot in RA

Don't be so surprised.

ensoriki · Nov 12, 2007, 12:12 PM // 12:12

That combo isn't to bad.
Impale + signet = 200 damage (if the 100 DW clause it met)
death blossom can hit ALMOST (not actually) 100 damage

Bs can hit for 40-64 damage with degen. so DB + bs+the impale + signet = around 340+ damage, and Degen. All before shroud of silence wears off.

my math implies that he has a decent amount of Deadly arts.
For RA, the build works >.>...but its RA.

Anyways.

Shroud of silence probably is how long your own spells are disabled for.
15 is a little over kill, 10 seconds is decent.

GenocideTwitch · Nov 18, 2007, 12:49 PM // 12:49

I posted this on the BLS thread but the bar has use here as well..

10 dagger +2
10 deadly +2 +1
11 critical +3

[skill]death's charge[/skill]
[skill]shroud of silence[/skill]
[skill]iron palm[/skill]
[skill]falling spider[/skill]
[skill]critical strike[/skill]
[skill]impale[/skill]
[skill]signet of toxic shock[/skill]
[skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

usage is simple death into to a monk and hit it with SoS then Iron palm to KD>falling spider>Critical strike>the monk will be trying to run>impale>SoTS>dead monk

No self heal, no quick way to get out once you've made the hit, casters hate you. No real melee advantages here unless you're able to split them from their monk hit them with SoS and use the chain as normal>GG instagib

Targuil · Nov 18, 2007, 02:53 PM // 14:53

I like your runes btw. superior and two majors is overkill.

Abedeus · Nov 18, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18

One superior is overkill. But you can use combo:

Dagger Mastery: 11+1+1
Critical Strikes: 11+2
Deadly Arts: 7+1 (free points go to healing prayers if you play AB)

[skill]Shroud of Silence[/skill]
[skill]Siphon Speed[/skill]
[skill]Black Mantis Thrust[/skill]
[skill]Jungle Strike[/skill]
[skill]Trampling Ox[/skill]
[skill]Falling Spider[/skill]
[skill]Blades of Steel[/skill]
[skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

For AB you can go A/Mo and use Restful Breeze instead of Rez Signet. You can also go:

Dagger Mastery: 11+1+1
Critical Strikes: 11+2 (because you have selfheal, you can use superior)
Deadly Arts: 7+1
Healing Prayers: 3
[skill]Shroud of Silence[/skill]
[skill]Siphon Speed[/skill]
[skill]Black Spider Strike[/skill]
[skill]Horns of the Ox[/skill]
[skill]Falling Lotus Strike[/skill]
[skill]Blades of Steel[/skill]
[skill]Restful Breeze[/skill]
[skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Have fun.

XiaoTheBlade · Nov 20, 2007, 10:30 PM // 22:30

The average RA monk can be killed, most eles (they love their sup fire runes)
Can also just Siphon speed the assassin, go SoS the monk/mesmer and go back and kill assassin while they just watch

R A N D O M · Nov 26, 2007, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by XiaoTheBlade

A build I use a lot in RA

[skill]shadow walk[/skill]
[skill]shroud of silence[/skill]
[skill]black spider strike[/skill]
[skill]death blossom[/skill]
[skill]impale[/skill]
[skill]signet of toxic shock[/skill]
[skill]siphon speed[/skill]
[skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

11+1 deadly
6+1+1 crit
12+1 dagger

i use almost the exact same build but with disrupting dagger instead of shadow walk, its awesome because monks only start to run when you have used death blossom and then you can impale/SoTS them